Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Eric and Neil break down OpenAI's $200M acquisition of TBPN and whether owning media is actually worth it for AI giants. They unpack Neil's co-branded conference playbook in Canada, why Anthropic's shipping velocity is crushing OpenAI, the rise of "world intelligence" agents inside companies, and why Neil's switching corporate spend from Amex to Ramp. Plus an honest look at credit card perks, points strategy, and when cash back beats miles. Key takeaways ◾Owning media isn't always worth it, even at $200M ◾Anthropic's shipping velocity is winning mind share ◾Every company now wants its own "world intelligence" agent Chapters (00:00) OpenAI buys TBPN for $200M (01:31) Why owning media properties isn't always smart (02:03) Neil's co-branded conference playbook (05:13) Breaking down the TBPN deal economics (06:42) OpenAI's code red vs Anthropic (07:46) The Open Claude loophole explained (09:03) Anthropic and Google's shipping as marketing (09:32) ClickFlow AI SEO break (10:05) World intelligence and Single Brain (11:30) Ramp, Glass, and internal AI agents (12:30) Why Neil's company is leaving Amex (14:01) Amex Black Card perks breakdown (16:08) Ramp vs Brex and shipping velocity (16:48) Centurion travel benefits (17:46) Cash back vs points strategy (20:16) Why you need a points dealer

Neil and Eric break down how IKEA turned an AI chatbot's failures into a $1B design consultancy, why creative is now the real ceiling on paid ads, and where API pricing and in-LLM advertising are heading. They unpack agentic commerce, dynamic personalized ads, and who actually wins the LLM race long term — Google, Microsoft, Anthropic, or OpenAI. A sharp episode on reskilling instead of cutting, scaling with AI creative, and betting on the right players in the AI stack. Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Key takeaways ◾IKEA's AI chatbot unlocked a $1B new business line ◾Creative and first-party data are the real paid ad levers ◾Google and Microsoft likely win enterprise AI long term Chapters 00:00 IKEA's $1B AI chatbot story 01:45 Reskill before you cut 02:18 Scaling $1.5M to $20M with 4,500 creatives 03:57 The two real levers in paid ads 06:05 Auction-based API pricing 07:17 Where ads inside LLMs are heading 09:33 Agentic commerce and dynamic ads 11:04 Who wins the LLM race 13:15 Anthropic's momentum vs Microsoft 14:38 OpenAI turbulence and Brett Taylor 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Most marketers still default to Meta and Google first, but that may no longer be the smartest place to start. In this episode, Eric and Neil break down the underpriced channels getting overlooked right now, why GitHub and GEO are becoming serious growth opportunities, and how AI is changing what separates average marketers from the ones who keep winning. They also get into why execution speed is becoming the real edge, why not everyone in your company needs to become an AI expert, and the five skills marketers will need by 2027 if they want to stay relevant. Key Takeaways: ◾Some of the best paid marketing opportunities right now are on smaller social platforms like Snap, Pinterest, and X. ◾GitHub is becoming more than a developer platform and may turn into a real marketing channel. ◾GEO traffic is converting significantly better than many traditional channels. ◾AI is helping teams execute faster, but it is not automatically turning weak talent into top talent. ◾The marketers who adapt fastest will have the biggest advantage over the next few years. Chapters: 00:00 The most underpriced marketing channels right now 00:43 Why GitHub is becoming a marketing channel 01:34 Why GEO is converting better than email and paid ads 02:51 How AI is changing A players and B players 07:01 Why most teams won’t become transformative with AI 15:26 The 5 skills marketers need by 2027 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Hosted by Eric Siu and Neil Patel, recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu - Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Chamath says brands could go to zero as AI makes products cheaper, faster, and easier to copy. In this episode, Eric and Neil break down why they disagree, why status still drives buying behavior, and why branding may actually become more important as AI creates more abundance. They also get into why luxury still holds power, why most people misunderstand what makes premium brands durable, and how AI agents are shifting the market from selling software seats to selling actual output. Key Takeaways: ◾Chamath’s “brands go to zero” argument ignores how much status still drives human behavior. ◾Strong brands like Apple, Jordan, Louis Vuitton, Chanel, and Tesla still carry emotional and social value. ◾AI may not kill brands, but it could make weak brands easier to replace. ◾Luxury markets are smaller than they look, even if they feel huge online. ◾The bigger AI opportunity may be services-as-software, not just traditional SaaS. Chapters: 00:00 Chamath says brands are going to zero 03:30 Why status still drives what people buy 05:47 The Mercedes minivan example that proves branding matters 10:23 Why luxury is smaller than people think 15:13 The $5.5 trillion AI services shift 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Hosted by Eric Siu and Neil Patel, recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu - Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Meta is reportedly pushing engineers to use AI for most of their code, and it may be one of the clearest signs yet that AI adoption is becoming mandatory inside major companies. In this episode, Eric and Neil break down why AI works differently in coding than in marketing, why engagement without revenue means nothing, and how the smartest companies are using AI to drive conversions, optimize operations, and move faster. Key Takeaways: ◾Meta’s AI push could signal where the rest of tech is headed. ◾AI works better in coding because the output is easier to verify. ◾More engagement does not always mean more revenue. ◾Some of the best AI use cases in marketing are in CRO and business optimization. ◾Distribution still matters, even if AI makes execution cheaper. Chapters: 00:00 Meta’s AI coding push 02:09 When AI engagement doesn’t lead to revenue 05:45 What real AI ROI looks like 07:26 Using AI to improve conversions 11:17 Stripe’s bet on AI agents 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Hosted by Eric Siu and Neil Patel, recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu - Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Oracle cut 30,000 jobs this morning to fund AI data centers, and their stock jumped 5%. Nvidia's growth is reaccelerating because of AI agents. Meta just built AI that predicts your dopamine before you feel it. Eric and Neil break down what all of this means for marketers and business owners right now, who actually gets paid the most in marketing today, and how Eric's AI agent is already negotiating his own sponsorship deals. Key Takeaways: Companies are cutting headcount specifically to fund AI infrastructure, and the market is rewarding them for it. Nvidia's growth reacceleration is being driven by real agent adoption, not just hype. The highest paid marketing role right now is customer acquisition on social, not SEO or paid. Meta's brain-decoding AI doesn't need to read your mind, it already knows what will trigger you. AI agents are handling real business tasks like negotiation, and most people haven't caught up yet. Chapters: 00:00 Oracle fires 30,000 to fund AI data centers 02:38 Why Nvidia's growth is reaccelerating 09:18 The highest paying marketing job right now 11:33 Meta's AI predicts your dopamine before you feel it 14:41 How an AI agent is negotiating Eric's sponsorship deals 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Hosted by Eric Siu and Neil Patel, recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu - Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric break down how SEO, AEO, and AI search are changing faster than most marketers realize. They explain why the new way to win is through APIs and agents, why AI-generated content often fails over time without a human in the loop, and how evals are replacing old school testing cycles for the best AI teams. They also get into why publishing listicles on your own site can quietly hurt organic traffic, how synthetic data could reshape marketing measurement, and why every CEO may soon be running their own internal AI agent. Key Takeaways: The future of SEO and AEO is increasingly API-first, with agents doing the work faster across content and workflows Pure AI-written content may get short-term gains, but long-term performance still depends on human editing, iteration, and strong systems AI evals are speeding up experimentation, helping teams test and improve workflows far faster than traditional approaches Chapters: 00:00 Why SEO and AEO Are Moving to APIs 01:16 Why AI Content Still Struggles to Rank 02:57 The Listicle Strategy That Can Hurt Organic Traffic 06:59 Why AI Evals Are Replacing Old Testing Loops 12:14 How Evals Change Product and Marketing Workflows 14:24 Why CEOs Will Soon Run Their Own AI Agents 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Hosted by Eric Siu and Neil Patel, recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu - Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric break down the brutal reality of AI transformation inside real organizations, why just telling your team to "use AI" completely backfires, how C players are using AI to hide and do less, and why rockstar employees are becoming 100x more valuable overnight. They share the exact systems they use to roll out AI internally, from weekly hackathons to AI fluency standups to Friday agents that hold every employee publicly accountable. Plus, why the entire marketing job pyramid is being flipped upside down, what the Travis Kalanick robotics bet tells us about where jobs are really going, and why even a 2,000-person global law firm says their AI tool makes their job harder, not easier. Key Takeaways: - Telling your team to "just use AI" produces slop, you need AI that adapts to each person's experience level - Rockstar employees given AI tools work harder; C players use them to get lazy - The marketing job pyramid is flipping, fewer low-level roles, more A and B players paid significantly more Chapters: 00:00 The Hardest Part of AI Transformation Nobody Talks About 02:20 Why Training Your Team on AI Doesn't Work 04:14 The System That Actually Gets Teams to Adopt AI 08:00 How Eric Uses Friday Agents to Hold Every Employee Accountable 10:04 Why the Marketing Job Pyramid Is Being Flipped Upside Down 11:47 How AI Exposes Weak Employees in Job Interviews 15:25 Travis Kalanick's Robotics Bet and Where Jobs Are Really Going 18:17 Why a 2,000-Lawyer Firm Says Their AI Tool Makes Work Harder 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Hosted by Eric Siu and Neil Patel, recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric break down why AI is quietly killing the marketing channels most businesses still rely on — cold email open rates have dropped over 40%, AI-generated content is getting near-zero engagement, and outreach inboxes are completely flooded. They share exactly where they're shifting their marketing spend in 2026, why branding and in-person events are the new moat, and why Neil basically quit doing podcasts. Key Takeaways: Cold email open rates dropped 40%+ from end of 2024 to Q1 2026 across 11 B2B companies AI-generated content gets terrible engagement unless it's specifically about AI topics Brand, relationships, and intellectual horsepower are the only real moats left in 2026 Chapters: 00:00 AI Is Destroying the Marketing Channels You Rely On01:13 The Cold Email Saturation Problem Nobody Is Admitting02:51 Open Rates Dropped 40% — Real Data From 11 B2B Companies05:48 Why Branding Is the Only Real Moat Left in 202606:44 Why He Basically Quit Doing Podcasts11:46 The 3 Things That Survive AI: Brand, Relationships, Horsepower13:23 Why Manual Content Is Beating AI Content Right Now 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Hosted by Eric Siu and Neil Patel, recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the HostsEric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficialNeil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free ResourcesUbersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!

Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric react to Jensen Huang's bold claim that a $500K engineer should be spending $250K on AI tokens, and why the real answer involves open source. They break down how AI costs are exploding internally, why Cursor's $2B revenue run rate doubled in 3 months, and the rise of vertical AI models. The conversation also covers 7 SEO trends for 2026, how AEO audits expose major gaps, the Agentic Commerce Protocol changing checkout forever, and a live breakdown of IM8's $120M bundle strategy. Key Takeaways: 70-80% of your AI usage should run on open source infrastructure. Sites that link to you are the easiest wins for GEO and SEO. AEO audits are exposing massive gaps most companies are ignoring. Chapters: 00:00 Jensen Huang's $250K Token Claim 01:25 Open Source vs Paid AI Tokens 02:40 Eric's $5.6K Monthly Anthropic Spend 03:32 AI Costs Exploding Internally 04:05 Cursor's $2B Revenue & $40B Valuation 05:48 Vertical Models & Intercom's Finn 06:35 SEO Trends for 2026 08:42 Doing SEO via API 09:20 Brand Search Driving Rankings 09:48 AEO Audits With Oracle 10:30 Human-Written Content & E-A-T 11:23 Publishing Where Your Customers Aren't 12:32 Agentic Commerce Protocol & Stripe 15:22 IM8's $120M Checkout Breakdown 18:03 Legion Protein & Supplement Talk 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!