<p>Debbie talks to writer and illustrator Maira Kalman about how ordinary objects inspire her art, and about her collaborations with the likes of Mark Morris and Isaac Mizrahi.</p>

Design Matters from the Archive: Tobias Frere-Jones

Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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