<p>Debbie talks to type designer Tobias Frere-Jones about his career and why typefaces are like the air we breathe.</p>

Kelli Anderson

Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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