<p>Debbie talks to psychology writer Maria Konnikova about her career and her fascination with con artists. She explains why so many people fall prey to confidence games.</p>

Design Matters from the Archive: Maira Kalman

Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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