A conversation with a Cornell professor who is attempting to rebrand the concept of defiance.

Dr. Sunita Sah started her career as a physician but then switched over to organizational psychology. At Cornell, she conducts research on influence, authority, compliance, and defiance. She is the author of Defy: The Power of No in a World That Demands Yes.

In this episode we talk about:

• How Dr. Sah defines defiance 
• The costs of compliance 
• The five stages of defiance
• How to make defiance a practice
• The upside of tension 
• The importance of knowing your values — how to articulate them, and how this relates to our biology, specifically our hormones 
• The gender components of defiance 

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