Chris and Andy break down the season finale of ‘The White Lotus’ and reflect on why the season worked so well (1:00). Then they are joined by Barry Jenkins to talk about the challenges of creating ‘The Underground Railroad’ (40:49) and what’s coming next (1:17:41).Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy GreenwaldGuest: Barry JenkinsProducer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Andy break down the season finale of ‘The White Lotus’ and reflect on why the season worked so well (1:00). Then they are joined by Barry Jenkins to talk about the challenges of creating ‘The Underground Railroad’ (40:49) and what’s coming next (1:17:41). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy GreenwaldGuest: Barry JenkinsProducer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Chris and Andy break down the season finale of ‘The White Lotus’ and reflect on why the season worked so well

Then they are joined by Barry Jenkins to talk about the challenges of creating ‘The Underground Railroad’

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Every week, The Ringer's Andy Greenwald and Chris Ryan -- longtime friends and pop culture addicts -- break down the latest in TV, movies, and music.