To renowned travel guru ⁠Rick Steves⁠, “fear is for people who don’t get out very much.” The travel mogul has built an empire on a philosophy of travel that builds bridges. Recently, he sat down with ⁠Ryan Knutson⁠ at the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in Seattle for a conversation about his business, his politics and how the two intersect.

Further Listening:

- ⁠The Love Triangle Over Spirit⁠ 

⁠- An Air Traffic Controller Speaks Out About Newark Airport⁠

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