The Bulwark Podcast
The Bulwark Podcast
The Bulwark
George Packer: Trump Was a Symptom
55 minutes Posted Nov 28, 2025 at 6:50 pm.
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Americans were already losing touch with basic decency before Trump came along—and he exploited that indecency, distrust, and division to win power. In his new novel, George Packer spins a story of an imaginary country that just collapses, and how ordinary people have to learn to live together again.