Law and Chaos
Law and Chaos
Liz Dye
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Per se v per quod
I generally like this program. I listen regularly and followed it under its previous title. That said I feel like the explanation of “per se” and “per quod” might deserve a revisit. “Per se” is when a statement is false outright or “on the face of it.” “Per quod” is when the defamation is implied. For “per quod,” some states like Missouri have an “innocent construction” defense, meaning that is the statement is true in its most innocent interpretation, then it is not defamatory.
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sirdonato
Law and Legal Analysis from an Unrepentant Sex Pest and His Enabler
Law breakdowns but AT did his victims and former cohost waaay dirty, and LD is fine with sweeping it all under the rug. Instead, go listen to Opening Arguments, they have excellent breakdowns and informed discussions of current events, as well as this thing called ethics.
Meredithium
A Must Listen
There are only 3 branches of government, so with a defenestrated Republican Congress it is up to the Judicial branch. This podcast keeps me up to date with what’s going on. Liz and Andrew are both lawyers and quote the law chapter and verse. It helps me understand what’s reasonable and what is just plain bonkers.
heumans
Sex Pest
Andrew Torres is a sex pest. Liz Dye is an enabler.
FloraSara
Sex Pest
Andrew is an unrepentant sex pest and Liz is his enabler. Don’t support this pod.
Blaseking
My fav
Liz Dye is a national treasure! Together, these two have the best law show! They’re wonderful!
Taralainee
Best Legal commentary around
Great breakdown, clear, accurate on point legal information really necessary for these times. Commentary is also very funny and love the deep dives. Definitely recommend.
Minnie Tall
News
News is expensive these days I’m so I listen to as many free podcasts as I can. I put what little money I have towards electing a better Congress right now. I’ve listened to you from the beginning and I’m impressed with the accuracy and especially your choice of focus. Your humor makes my day Liz.
Dennytaylor
A helpful take on current events
Both Liz and Andrew are knowledgeable and entertaining hosts. Love the deep dives into 13th century Saxony and the fact they are definitely NOT the same age.
JeremyVBVO
Wet mouth sounds
Wet mouth sounds :(
drbuttons
Surprising
Fine Pod. Not normally one to be patient with podcasters. Too many are wannabe comedians, Simpsons’ addicts, Seinfeld Suckups, and/or pitching a lousy screenplay to Meir Kahane’s people. But there are exceptions. This pod is an exception. Hosts explain the law, know the process, understand the players, and refuse to suffer fools, gladly or on Ailes Spews and CNN.
Peter Guillam
Listen to Opening Arguments instead
Andrew Torrez is a sex pest.
state your case
A legitimate gossip page disguised as law
I am puzzled by the complete white washing of the money giver, I’m fast at sex? Are you pulling a “like a boss” move of pretending you never did that? Hi, “Alex falcone”, Chris Hopper, “Andrew Torres”.
Ray Reesey
The Law will not save us from the Chaos
I have long enjoyed the knowledge and debate among the hosts (long = Andrew had another podcast that I dropped when he left). My only annoyance had been their lawyerly belief that “the rule of law” was something real. Now, after the election they seem to be less credulous. As Liz said (paraphrasing, maybe adding a bit 😀) the law is simply what 6 partisan hacks on the Supreme Court say it is. Looking forward to their continued analysis and hoping for change in my remaining lifetime!
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TomTrustee
The P stands for Predator
P Andrew Torres is a sexual predator. Liz Dye got her job by harassing Torres’ accusers. You should not support these people. They are awful. I don’t want my legal analysis from people who commit and cover-up sex crimes.
KingHerby
Just listen to it.
Andrew is an utter law nerd; Liz Dye is a law school trained… she lives in the space between Dorothy Parker and Joan Rigers. Both are by pretty normal in the proffession but these guys take it to new heights. If I could only have two podcasts, this one’s a keeper.
missliz
Yesssssss
This is a great podcast for up-to-date political law-talk. I especially love when Liz and Andrew completely disagree with each other and argue it out with level heads; it’s entertaining and informative.
kennettcoleman
Horrible and smug
There is no ethical standards for these two
TodayIsTheDay2025
VPZ
Wonderful podcast- I learn so much critical context- love it!
tburgerd
Love the content
I’m not a lawyer but these two do explain the law in a way that is understandable, even if they talk very fast.
EssEx 69
Six Out O Five Stars!!
I love this show! Liz and Andrew make my day!
OldDude61
Great hosts with amazing chemistry!
I enjoyed these two on their previous show and was elated to see them venture out on their own. They make legalese palatable and fun for the layperson.
sonnyboychris
I've finally found the podcast again.
I was so disappointed when Opening Arguments changed. Happy to find you guys again.
Salohcin16
Unqualified
I generally try to get my legal podcasting from people who haven’t shown moral turpitude that should disbar them
TheCcg3
A Real Legal Podcast
If you want a good legal podcast, it needs to be written and hosted by lawyers. This is what this podcast is. Andrew and Liz have great legal analysis, good banter and you won’t miss the show when that other bozo who was kinda funny was on there. He thought he was a lot funnier than he was.
Notters
Like an Infomercial
I was excited for the two hosts, Liz and Andrew, to get back together. But, it’s mostly been a disappointment. If you liked their other show, you will get slight hints of that. There will be some light discussion about law topics in the news, followed by constant advertisements for their other revenue streams. Be prepared to have any interesting or in-depth conversation locked behind a paywall, while you continue to listen to ads. Most content creators either lock portions of their content behind a paywall OR they have an ad-supported version. They have decided to do both, locking the majority of the content behind a paywall while simultaneously forcing you to listen to ads for the cliff notes. I’d be willing to pay for the full episodes if it wasn’t for the fact that then I’d be paying to still hear them mention their Patreon and substack 30 times an episode.
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fitswelll
REUNITED !!
So happy to stumble on the two of you back together again !!
Still Republican
Love this show
rapid fire facts, analysis, honest opinion and humor!
Pete791
I found you!
I’m so glad I found you again. I missed you two, your insights, your banter, analysis and the smile you both leave on my face when I listen.
ragnellsdream
Best team in legal podcasting!
Smart and funny (to the extent that any of *this* can be fun).
Rosa es una Rosa
Sharp wit and incisive analysis
I love Liz Dye. She’s tough, smart and no-nonsense but incredibly funny at the same time. She helps me hear the political news without my anxiety about the future of our nation overwhelming me. AT has always brought out the fun in her, so I am glad to have him back. He is also very informed and incisive. No idea if AT is an a-hole or not. And I get why AG needed to stay clear of his issues regardless of whether his contrition was genuine. It would ruin her brand (btw I love AG too, not criticizing her for that decision- it was the right thing for her). But - even good people mess up, get into highly emotional polarized conflicts, and treat each other badly at times. It’s the severity of the behavior and pattern over time that counts. Sociopaths like Weinstein get no absolution, but maybe AT has earned it? I can’t know what’s in his heart, but if he did not deserve forgiveness my gut feeling is Liz wouldn’t work with him. Thus, I have no reason not to listen to a podcast that brings me great comprehension and comfort in terrifying times.
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guz42
A Good Podcast… But…
The difference in audio volume between the podcast and the ads has caused me to have to change the volume multiple times during the newest episode.
The Tritone King
Yes!
SO glad to have Liz and Andrew back!! Everyone makes mistakes and some are well known enough have theirs blown WAY out of proportion. Andrew was dragged through the absolute mud and through that has been contrite and come out the other side. I’m happy for him and happy for me, bc now I can listen to his genius. And good for Liz for teaming up with him in this way. If we were all judged by our worst moments alone… 5 stars again and again. Welcome back, guys!!!
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Poddcaster
Creepy
Knowing the history of AT, Liz and AT’s previous law focused podcast, this just feels creepy. Disappointed in Liz.
thanksforthelaughs!
The Dynamic Duo Returns
So delighted to have you two back together in my ears, Liz and Andrew! Amazing and informative always!
Learning ✍️
The Dynamic Duo Returns
Nature is healing
Ash, AZ
Welcome back Andrew!
I don’t know the details of the allegations against Andrew, and maybe he should be in jail. But in the meantime Liz and Andrew are the best combo in the several iterations of L and C / OA.
The Old Country Doctor
PSA: new Co-host Andrew Torres is a known sexual harasser
Liz is great and I was super into the rotating guest system early in the show. But after Andrew Torres came in as cohost, I discovered that he left his former law podcast (which I was hadn’t heard of) because of recent sexual harassment and assault allegations against him. During his departure he apparently also created immense legal drama for the whole podcast. The idea that Liz (former host of said show) would reward him for this despicable behavior by giving him a brand new podcast platform (without even mentioning the allegations and problematic behavior of his past) is unconscionable and appalling. I guarantee I am only one of many listeners she has lost with this disgusting decision. I didn’t know this info originally, so I wanted to put it out there so people can make an informed decision to steer clear of this show.
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Natdawgswag
Greatest Duo in Legal Podcasts are back, hooray!!!
Number 1 pick for a podcast that hits the facts hard, makes you laugh, and is so professionally run! Wow, just saw my favorite duo and objectively the smartest, most funny, and well prepared legal podcasters are back online!! I am not joking, I seriously grieved and missed them when their last venue changed hosts. I listen to most of the top legal and political podcasts and this pair is in a class of their own. Why? They combine journalist who has a JD with an experienced attorney with a Harvard Law degree. So they have the credentials, but the magic is they have great chemistry and are equally funny. I am cheering for their next episodes and couldn’t recommend this podcast more.
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HonestAbe2020!
Good podcast
Experts and guests do the majority of the talking which is refreshing—-most podcast hosts haven’t mastered this skill
elderly registered republican
Look elsewhere
If you would like a legal podcast hosted by people with actual ethics and values there are much better options out there I encourage you to research the subject if you want more information and decide for yourself.
shift087
Awful people
Zero morals. You can easily find better law podcasts
ErniePook
“Feminist”
Kind of doubting Liz’s feminism since her cohost lost his first legal podcast over being an alleged sex pest & then related legal fallout.
BG45
Thanks for bringing Andrew Torres back!
I really missed him! Great addition to the show.
Drewyz
Thank you!!!
Back with Andrew. I needed this.
Don't let me down
Love the podcast!
Love the podcast and the New Format!! I look forward to each podcast.
UANash
Great legal lens on politics
Dye’s incisive, insightful commentary, just the right amount of snark, plus erudite and entertaining guests make for a fantastic podcast.
Jason Aimer
Great Show
Glad to have Liz back in action!
PowerliftingCat
Liz is the best
I was so sad when Liz left OA (and Thomas took it back; it’s not nearly as good now, all due respect). So I was understandably thrilled to learn that Liz was launching her own podcast. Liz is brilliant, insightful, funny, and relatable. I could listen to her talk law all day.
davpt
Yay
Yay!
Kalfisher
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