<p>Debbie talks to legendary designer Bob Gill about coming up in the profession in the 1950s, about working with the Beatles, and the problem with many designers today.</p>

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Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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