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#482 – Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature
4 hour 42 minutes Posted Oct 1, 2025 at 1:40 am.
) – Introduction
) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
) – Philosophy of freedom
) – No alcohol
) – No phone
) – Discipline
) – Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics
) – Arrest in France
) – Romanian elections
) – Power and corruption
) – Intense education
) – Nikolai Durov
) – Programming and video games
) – VK origins & engineering
) – Hiring a great team
) – Telegram engineering & design
) – Encryption
) – Open source
) – Edward Snowden
) – Intelligence agencies
) – Iran and Russia government pressure
) – Apple
) – Poisoning
) – Money
) – TON
) – Bitcoin
) – Two chairs dilemma
) – Children
) – Father
) – Quantum immortality
) – Kafka
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Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.
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