What Was That Like - True Stories. Real People.
What Was That Like - True Stories. Real People.
Scott Johnson & Glassbox Media.
214: Scott was an undercover FBI agent
1 hour 21 minutes Posted May 2, 2025 at 7:00 am.
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Hey, this is Scott and you’re listening to What Was That

Like.

 

And the name of the podcast, What Was That Like, was chosen

very specifically – because that’s what I ask people who are guests on the
show. They’ve just been through something really unusual, like being attacked
by a monkey, or saving the life of a stranger, or some other crazy situation.
And I ask them to tell all of us – what was that like. All the details. So
that’s what we do here, every other Friday.

 

But sometimes I like to find someone who has a really

unusual job, and ask them the same question.

 

Today I’m talking to Scott Payne. For many years, he worked

for the FBI as an undercover agent. He would pretend to be a criminal, in order
to join white supremacist groups or biker gangs – including the notorious
Outlaws group. As you can imagine, this guy has some stories.

 

I asked him lots of questions about this job, and then he

answered a few questions from What Was That Like listeners. He’s an open book,
and I learned some things, and I hope you do too. Please enjoy this
conversation with undercover FBI agent, Scott Payne.

 

 

Scott socials:

Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/scottpaynebigcountry/

X – https://x.com/Scott_D_Payne

 

Scott’s book – Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went

Undercover to Expose America’s Nazis

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1668032902

 

 

Full show notes and pictures for this episode are here:

https://WhatWasThatLike.com/214

 

Graphics for this episode by Bob Bretz. Transcription was

done by James Lai.

 

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