Unchained
Unchained
Laura Shin
How the Competition Will Play Out in the Great Stablecoin Race - Ep. 936
1 hour 19 minutes Posted Nov 1, 2025 at 12:30 am.
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Why Ethena’s USDe plunged from $15B to $10B
Rob’s view on the future of Ethena
Why Spark exited Ethena despite being an early believer
Protocol-native stablecoins—and why Rob and Sam disagree about the trend
What it really takes to win the stablecoin wars + what makes Tempo's strategy “interesting”
Tether’s USAT launch: can it succeed?
How Tether and Ripple are using the same acquisition playbook
Plasma’s emissions strategy and whether it’s sustainable
Inside Circle’s Arc testnet and its 100+ institutional partners
Codex and the debate: should stablechains be L1s or L2s?
How Spark aims to stand out in the new wave of stablecoin competition
Why TradFi players are entering the space with so much strength
Why Rob remains so bullish on the future of stablecoins
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Show notes
In this episode of Unchained, Laura is joined by Rob Hadick, General Partner at Dragonfly, and Sam MacPherson, Co-founder and CEO of Phoenix Labs, to break down the fast-moving world of stablecoins and stablechains.
They discuss Ethena’s USDe $5 billion drop, the rise of “stablecoin-as-a-service” models, the emergence of payment-focused blockchains like Tempo and Codex, and the return of TradFi heavyweights like Visa, Mastercard, and Western Union to the digital dollar race.
From liquidity challenges to regulatory shakeups and tokenized deposits, the conversation explores what it really takes to win the stablecoin wars, and, importantly, whether any of these players can even make a scratch to king Tether.
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Guests:
Rob Hadick, General Partner at Dragonfly
Sam MacPherson, Co-founder and CEO of Phoenix Labs
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Previous coverage on Unchained:
Stablecoins Are Popping Up Everywhere. What’s the End Game?
Why Every Chain Suddenly Wants Its OWN Stablecoin - The Chopping Block
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