Despite the ups and downs of the Ethereum ecosystem, two of its most influential builders—Aave’s Stani Kulechov and Sky’s Rune Christensen—remain bullish.In this episode, they discuss whether we’re witnessing a DeFi renaissance, the challenges of building on Ethereum vs. Solana, and why DeFi adoption isn’t growing as fast as some expected. They debate stablecoins, whether Solana is truly innovating, and how AI could transform DeFi by automating governance and risk management.They also respond to some hot takes—including whether Aave is falling behind Solana-based Kamino, and why Sky deployed its USDS stablecoin on Solana despite Rune’s long-standing Ethereum advocacy.Show highlights: Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.comThank you to our sponsors!MantleRockWalletKelp DAO Guest:Stani Kulechov, Founder and CEO of AavePrevious appearances on Unchained:Stani Kulechov on Why Aave Is So Successful - UnchainedThe Chopping Block w/ Stani Kulechov: Operation Chokepoint 2.0, Ethereum Innovation Push, & Polymarket Whales - UnchainedRune Christensen, Co-founder of SkyPrevious appearances on Unchained:Can Maker’s Rune Christensen Fix the Sad State of DAO Governance?Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 1: How to Keep a Crypto-Collateralized Stablecoin AfloatRune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 2: How Dai Stayed at $1 While ETH Crashed From $1,400 to $85 The Chopping Block: How to Manage MakerDAO, With Hasu and RuneRune Christensen of MakerDao on Its $15 Million From Andreessen HorowitzWhy It’s so Hard to Keep Stablecoins StableLinksAave 2030 roadmapAlex Svanevik of Nansen tweeted: “When Aave on Solana?” Qiao Wang of Alliance DAO commenting on why he recommends people build on Solana The First Non-EVM Deployment of Aave Protocol: Aave V3 on Aptos - General - Aptos Forum Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices