The Verge's Nilay Patel and Alex Heath join David Pierce after a long, winding weekend reporting on the dramatic shakeup at OpenAI, still in progress.

Further reading:

• Turmoil at OpenAI: after firing Sam Altman, what's next for the creators of ChatGPT?
• Sam Altman fired as CEO of OpenAI
• OpenAI’s new CEO is Twitch co-founder Emmett Shear
• OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO
• Emmett Shear named new CEO of OpenAI by board
• Hundreds of OpenAI employees threaten to resign and join Microsoft
• Microsoft hires former OpenAI CEO Sam Altman 
• How ChatGPT Fractured OpenAI - The Atlantic

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