Down the pipe and into the Flower Kingdom, Ben and Jess are talking all things Mario today with the release of ‘Super Mario Bros. Wonder.’ They begin by discussing their histories with the ‘Super Mario Bros.’ franchise

and its evolution in 2D/3D gameplay

Later on, they chat about their likes and dislikes of the game

before producer Devon Renaldo joins to deliver a hot take on Nintendo’s direction, the company’s upcoming releases, and the successor to the Switch