The pundit class thought JD Vance performed better than Tim Walz in the VP  debate. Voters had their own take. John Heilemann joins Sarah to review our focus groups reactions.

S4 Ep55: Great Lakes, "Meh" Candidates (with Craig Gilbert and Craig Mauger)

Unfiltered, uncompromising, unexpected—The Focus Group is a look into what the average voter thinks about politics, policy, and current events. Sarah Longwell, publisher of The Bulwark, has conducted hundreds of hours of focus groups all across the country. She and a series of special guests will take you behind the glass to hear what real focus group participants have to say.

https://www.thebulwark.com/podcast/focus-group/