In a Zoom meeting with Sri Ramana Center, Houston, on 5th October 2024, Michael James discusses Uḷḷadu Nāṟpadu Anubandham, verses 20.

The translation of verse 20 by Michael can be found here. 

This episode can also be watched as a video here and a more compressed audio copy in Opus format (which can be listened to in the VLC media player and some other apps) can be downloaded from here.