For the 20th anniversary of Freakonomics, Debbie Millman of Design Matters interviews Stephen Dubner about his upbringing, his writing career, and why it's important to “swing your swing.” Plus: a sneak peek at a new project.

• SOURCES:
  • Debbie Millman, writer and host of Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

• RESOURCES:
  • "Stephen J. Dubner," by Design Matters with Debbie Millman (2025).
  • Turbulent Souls: A Catholic Son's Return To His Jewish Family, by Stephen Dubner (1999).
  • "Choosing My Religion," by Stephen Dubner (New York Times, 1996).

• EXTRAS:
  • "In Search of the Real Adam Smith," by Freakonomics Radio (2022).

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