<p>Debbie talks to author Cheryl Strayed about her childhood, her career, and about the value of taking a very long hike.</p>

Ina Mayhew

Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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