<p>Debbie talks to Elizabeth about the journey of her extraordinary life and about how death makes us think about what we truly value.</p>

Design Matters at 15: David Cay Johnston

Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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