<p>Debbie talks with pastry chef and Milk Bar founder Christina Tosi about her career and long apprenticeship.</p>

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Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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