<p>Debbie talks to singer-songwriter Shirley Manson about her career, her music, and the long road that got her where she is today.</p>

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Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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