<p>Debbie talks to podcast host, comic, and comedy writer Catie Lazarus about comedy, and about the grey area of comedians telling off-color jokes.</p>

Marina Abramović

Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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