<p>Debbie talks to James Victore about his apprenticeship in graphic design, about the role of opinion in his work, and about his suspicions of surface beauty and polish.</p>

Thomas Kail

Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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