<p>Debbie talked to Massimo Vignelli about his favorite typeface, his fight against vulgarity and meaningless design, and what he means by forceful design.</p>

Design Matters from the Archive: Marian Bantjes

Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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