<p>Debbie talks to Kelli Anderson about what design can tell us about the world.</p>

Design Matters From The Archive: Marian Bantjes

Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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