<p>As his new book “Chasing Shadows” hits bookstores this month, Ron Deibert tells us about how he and his team of digital sleuths at The Citizen Lab have been holding purveyors of high-tech surveillance to account.</p>

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Mic Drop: Anne Neuberger on AI: ‘We have to challenge ourselves to be first’

The podcast that tells true stories about the people making and breaking our digital world. We take listeners into the world of cyber and intelligence without all the techie jargon. Every Tuesday and Friday, former NPR investigations correspondent Dina Temple-Raston and the team draw back the curtain on ransomware attacks, mysterious hackers, and the people who are trying to stop them.